NPR’s Rachel Martin interviewed former Intelligence Director James Clapper about the inference that, because no Trump officials or campaign staffers were indicted by Mueller for 2016 election interference along with the 13 Russians who were, this means nobody within the Trump campaign had any idea it was happening.
During the interview, Martin played an audio clip of Vice President Mike Pence saying, “Irrespective of efforts that were made in 2016 by foreign powers, it is the universal conclusion of our intelligence communities that none of those efforts had any effect on the outcome of the 2016 election.”
Rachel Martin then asked Clapper whether Pence’s conclusion mirrors that the ICD intelligence community.
James Clapper responded:
“I have great respect for Vice President Pence. But in this case, I must respectfully disagree with what he said. What we said and what our intelligence community assessment said that we published on the 6 of January, 2017, was that we saw no evidence of interference with voter tallies. That’s not to say there wasn’t interference. We just didn’t see any evidence of it. The intelligence community has neither the authority nor the capability to make such a judgment as to whether there was or was not impact on the election. And we did not say that – made that point clear when we briefed then president-elect Trump and his team which included then vice-president-elect Pence in Trump Tower on the 6 of January. I will say, now that I’m not in an official position though, it stretches credulity given the magnitude, scope and depth of the Russian efforts that they didn’t have impact on individual voter decisions. But, again, the intelligence community did not and could not gauge the impact on individual voter decisions.”
Martin followed up by asking,”But it is your personal opinion that the Russian disinformation campaign could have affected voter decisions?
James Clapper also said on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360, “I think there are other shoes to drop here — notably the finances.”